* * * Wizards.COMmunity Boards THREAD * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- THREAD : If /JOIN FREE don't work, maybe /JOIN 1:1 ? Started at 08-05-04 09:39 PM by vitalogy1994 Visit at http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=288532 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : vitalogy1994 Date : 08-05-04 09:39 PM Title : If /JOIN FREE don't work, maybe /JOIN 1:1 ? Honestly, I wasn't around when Chad and other made their giveaway day. I didn't read any feedback neither, so I don't know how good it worked. Earlier this afternoon, I took a look into the /join free room. There was about 20 poeple in it. It was pretty quiet. The main conversation being someone asking how to get the tradable avatars. Sometime you could see poeple requesting free cards. After about 15 min spent in that room, I didn't see anyone giving cards. At this pace, it look like that this will be a waiting room, where everyone sit there and wait Santa Claus. As soon as Santa Claus will enter in the room, it will become a click-racing where everyone try to open a trade with Santa Claus until he get lucky enough to start the trade before any other. Of course, you will want to be lucky and be the first one to take your free cards, so you get better choices. In mid-term, I doubt this system can work. Maybe it can work if you make it a periodical event, like 1 day every month or so. [size=3][COLOR=indigo]/join 1:1[/COLOR][/size] Now I'm thinking of a 1:1 trade room. First of all, 1:1 trading is really painfull. I tried that a couple of times, wanting to trade my extra commons for any commons I don't have 4. I wasn't looking any specific cards, I just wanted to increase the diversity of my collection. So I announced this in the Marketplace and Board. It was very frustating. People open a trade with you, don't bother to say Hello or something. So I start to pick card.... until the trade get closed. Like if poeple was looking for very specific cards. I would be happy if I could find someone with a large collection and willing to trade anything 1:1. So the 1:1 room. To work well, it only take a couple of account with a large collection accessible 24/7 (this account would probably be controler by a trading-bot). Here how it could be started: Someone create a account to be controlled by the trading-bot. (I will call this account, the Bot) Find some donators and put all the free commons into the Bot account. This will create an initial cards pool, large enough to be able to find almost everything you need. When you need some commons, you open a trade with the Bot and trade commons 1:1. The commons given to the Bot will be added to his cards pool and so available for other players. Who could appreciate this service? Player that want to give away their extra commons to get other commons he don't have 4. Player who collect 2 or 3 colors only. He could easilly trade his off-color cards to get more cards of his favorite colors. Player with a small collection who only want to "refresh" his collection. He will give away the deck he used to play, to get the cards he need for his new deck. Player who need some cards to test a new deck. It would be like borrowing cards. He trade his card A to get the card B. If the deck don't work and don't need the card B, he trade it back to the Bot... with a little luck, he could even trade it back for the card A... or maybe for a better card for his new deck. Additional Bots could be created for uncommons 1:1 trade and rare 1:1 trade. Obviously, the Rare Bot would be the harder to start and of course, you would only find crap rares worthing less than 1 ticket. However, I think that the cap rare are the hardest to find. They are not announced in the board and you need to search into several "Sell any rare for 1" collections. So if you need a specific crap rare, you will probably start your search with the Rare Bot. If only I had a spare computer that I could run just for the Bot, I would be willing to create the first 1:1 Bot. But I don't have that spare computer :( I think that the 1:1 Bot would be easy to manage. Once you got enough donations, installed the trading-bot, you just let run MTGO by itself. Sometime all you need is to mark the new cards as tradable (and maybe the bot could do that too, I don't know) EDIT: I just wanted to add this link, posted later in this thread. Originally posted by TwistedFate Design thread is up: here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=4146032#post4146032) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : The Computer Mutt Date : 08-05-04 10:12 PM Title : Re: If /JOIN FREE don't work, maybe /JOIN 1:1 ? Originally posted by vitalogy1994 Sometime all you need is to mark the new cards as tradable (and maybe the bot could do that too, I don't know) I'm almost sure it could. This sounds like a great idea. I have an extra computer I might be able to set up for this purpose. (The might is weather my parents would let me. XP) But the problem is that most people who makes these bots only make them for themselves and configure them to their computer, so getting a hold of one, and even moreso, one that works, would be quite dificult. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : TMPw00t Date : 08-05-04 10:13 PM This is a GREAT idea. If we could set up a bot, i think it'd work. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : Sipuncula Date : 08-05-04 10:25 PM Props to Vit :bow: I think that would be an awesome system if someone could get it working... Very nice! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : Pupsta Date : 08-05-04 10:35 PM That is a great idea...the only flaw i can find is, how will the bot know which cards to take? I assume the person trading witht he bot would have to make only commons they're willing to give up tradeable. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : shattereddestiny Date : 08-06-04 12:01 AM Originally posted by Pupsta That is a great idea...the only flaw i can find is, how will the bot know which cards to take? I assume the person trading witht he bot would have to make only commons they're willing to give up tradeable. That's what the filters are for. The trick is though, to make sure the bot can get a healthy selection, and doesn't end up picking up 500 Blood Pets because that happens to be the first card everyone has up for trade. Great idea btw, I'd happily support it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : LadyLucifer Date : 08-06-04 12:01 AM You click a card, the bot "clicks" a card. Just have cards up that you would like to trade off. I guess, I don't know, I haven't seen a trading bot in action, nor do I know how they work. I think this is an excellent idea and I have a lot of commons to get the bot started. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : vitalogy1994 Date : 08-06-04 12:08 AM Originally posted by Pupsta That is a great idea...the only flaw i can find is, how will the bot know which cards to take? I assume the person trading witht he bot would have to make only commons they're willing to give up tradeable. In the Message Board, I can see some ads that say something like "Buying all your rares 3 for 1 tix. Don't PM, just open the trade. The "dont PM" make me belive it's a bot. The bot probably change the filter to "show rares only" then pick random(?) rares. The problem here, is the Bot should be able to pick cards in a random order. Because I believe that most of time, poeple will have more commons to trade than they need. So if the Bot take only the first cards, there will quickly have a lack of variety in it's cards pool. Maybe the Bot should be able to change the filter to "Show Common only" (or unc. or rare for the other 1:1 trading) then read the number that appear at the top of the binder (Player's collection (### cards)). With this number he could approximate the number of pages the binder have and so, pick a random number, turn the page until it reach that random page and click more or less randomly on a card on that page. [Edit: Once it reached a random page, the Bot could be able to read the quantity it already have in it's collection (if I remember correctly, it's indicated in blue under each card) and pick the card it have in the smallest quantity.] Now I'm not a programmer, so maybe there is better solutions ;) EDIT: Wow, after 1.5 hour of innaction, we are reply at the same time lol. Oh and a last tough... The Bot should give clear instructions, in the chat box, when the trade is open.... including saying it's a bot, not a real person. Putting only cards you are willing to trade could be one of these instructions. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : rzeszut Date : 08-06-04 12:28 AM I think you could take care of the diversity issue by randomly choosing a combo of display filters. For instance, it could only display commons, red, MRD, instants Then on the next trade it would show commons, blue, 8ED, enchantments..... My experience with bots is that they seem to try to randomize it's picks, but they always seem to be what is on the first page that is displayed in the trade screen. So if the programer added a random filter chooser thingy-ma-bober (i'm obviously not a programer), you would have a much better chance of keeping the account diversified. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : TwistedFate Date : 08-06-04 01:19 AM Folks, the filter is the answer to all your problems. You are just making it too hard the other ways. 1) at start of trade, set filter to 'Commons' and 'Number Owned' to '<10' for example. You will only see the cards that the bot has less than 10 of so it won't be picking something it already has 400 of. 2) Every 4 picks, have it reset the search and then set filter to 'Commons' and 'Number owned' to '<10' so you never get more 13 of each common (assuming you had 9 to begin and picked 4) If you want a little more randomness, you can set the filter so the first pick is a white card, 2nd pick is blue, etc.... You could even set the 'Number Owned' to '=0' So it only picks cards you don't have yet, if there is no card that fits that constraint increment 'Number Owned'. You can keep incrementing and picking whatever comes up and that way you are always getting what ever you have the least of. None of this would be too hard to do, really, once you have the screen interaction figured out. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : vitalogy1994 Date : 08-06-04 01:31 AM If, at any point in time, the owner of the Bot see that it have very too many cards of the same set, he could sell a couple of play sets on eBay. Then he use that money to buy a couple of play sets of another set the Bot need. Or maybe some big traders will be willing to trade with him. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : AJ_Impy Date : 08-06-04 01:34 AM This is a frankly brilliant idea, vit. I'd be more than happy to make use of it and donate towards it.. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Author : shattereddestiny Date : 08-06-04 02:05 AM /me would like to propose the bot be christened by having LL donate a few of those extra Wall of Hopes she has laying around. I mean really. Who needs 700 Wall of Hope? ;p -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Author : The Computer Mutt Date : 08-06-04 02:39 AM The thing is, does anyone of these boards have the skill to make one of these bots? *gets an idea!* *discards it as stupid* And even if so, would they be willing to share it? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Author : nushae Date : 08-06-04 03:54 AM TwistedFate beat me to it :( I immediately thought of slowly incrementing the Owned X, then it could be set up to pull out of the trade. (I think this was mentioned above). That would keep people from making only one kind of card tradable. It could give an all-too-familiar "Sorry, nothing I need right now" message and then bail. It really is a good idea, Vit. The only issue is getting enough of a card base to begin with since (barring periodic additions) however many cards it starts with is all the cards it's going to have since it'll be 1:1 trades. That shouldn't be too much of a problem, though, since it's such a good idea. I'm sure people would be willing to donate to get this off the ground...probably more commons than rares, but still. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 25] Author : rasguy Date : 08-06-04 11:16 AM I absolutely love this idea. All the suggestions for the AI are excellent. If you implement an algorithm to reduce the "bloodpet effect", the bot will need to display some kind of instruction or people will get confused and frustrated. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 26] Author : Algona Date : 08-06-04 12:09 PM Originally posted by Tredecamus ...good stuff... ...I'm sure people would be willing to donate to get this off the ground...probably more commons than rares, but still. I'll contribute 5,000 commons (or until I get really bored with trading 32 at a time, please fix this trade limt WotC) as a seeding effort, and throw in a few hundred uncommons as well. Just curious, but if this is succesful, wouldn't there be a problem with people getting frustrated waiting for the bot? Maybe multiple bots? And then they could trade with each other? :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 27] Author : TwistedFate Date : 08-06-04 12:20 PM Originally posted by The Computer Mutt The thing is, does anyone of these boards have the skill to make one of these bots? *gets an idea!* *discards it as stupid* And even if so, would they be willing to share it? What I'm about to say, I say with more than a little trepidation. Explained later in the post. I have the skills to write this bot. I also have an interest in seeing it written just to see how it works out. (I'm a geek that way, I'll code something just to see if I can do it) Now, that being said, for the next 5 weeks I do not have a lot of time to set aside to a project like this. After this quarter is over at school my course load gets lighter and I'll have plenty of time. I'll volunteer and we can discuss the actual implementation plan for the next couple of weeks and get the AI routines finalized and that should almost take enough time so that my workload is eased at school. If you guys want and can wait a week or three to see a working prototype, then I'll volunteer to be code monkey for this one and promise to put in at least an hour a (week)day of coding and testing once we have settled on a selection algorithm. EDITED: Because I think faster than I can type and sometimes skip words in the middle of a sentence. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 28] Author : zahori Date : 08-06-04 12:25 PM Amazing Idea! :bow: Wouldnt the bot need some way to discriminate oop set commons vs. other commons? As shameful as it is, you'd hate to see the system abused by someone dumping all their MRD commons and picking up IPA. Albeit the distribution of commons is the main goal, I could easily see how it could be abused. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 29] Author : vitalogy1994 Date : 08-06-04 12:42 PM Originally posted by zahori As shameful as it is, you'd hate to see the system abused by someone dumping all their MRD commons and picking up IPA. Albeit the distribution of commons is the main goal, I could easily see how it could be abused. Because some commons worth more, no many people will give away worthy commons in a 1:1 trade. So there will have a lack of IPA cards, as well, I don't expect the Bot to have Counterspell in stock. If some players get lucky and start a trade a the right time, he will have the chance to leave with a gem. Congrats to him. :) But the valuable cards will be rare, so I don't see much abuse. For this reason, I believe that 1:1 uncommons could work, but for sure it will not be a place to find good uncommon that sell 1 ticket each. I have doubt that a 1:1 rare is possible. There is too much disparency in the price of rares. You could only find few crap rare + not many people would be willing to give free rares just to start the account. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 30] Author : TMPw00t Date : 08-06-04 12:48 PM Originally posted by Tharion_wind May I ask a simple question. If /join casual and /join free are distraught with issues - whats wrong with /join swapmeet. The only issues I can see with /join swapmeet was its bad time for overseas players. We've held it once a week for several weeks now. I think its moderately successful. People swap commons. No major crap trader issues or begging problems. Simple. Effective. Once a week. Any questions? :angel: Ive had people try to get insanely good deals/rip me off there. Thats whats wrong with /join swapmeet. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 31] Author : vitalogy1994 Date : 08-06-04 01:14 PM Originally posted by Algona Just curious, but if this is succesful, wouldn't there be a problem with people getting frustrated waiting for the bot? 1, 2 maybe 3 bots will probably be enough. The first few days will probably be busy, but then it will be more quiet. I also guess that the bots will be busy in the first days after a new set release... but will only be busy with request.. not actual trade. People will expect to see the new cards too early lol -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 32] Author : The Computer Mutt Date : 08-06-04 01:32 PM I'm creating an account named "1for1 Commons" and I'm stocking it with >1k commons. It will give us something to work with, before we get a bot, and whoever runs the bot (if not myself) will be given the password. Does that sound good? EDIT @ TwistedFate: What screen resolution will you be programing this to work with? Does it matter? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 33] Author : magictroll Date : 08-06-04 01:46 PM Originally posted by Gathion Heck, for that matter, they could do it with basic land, as basic land is a common. Basic land are more sought-after than most commons. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 34] Author : The Computer Mutt Date : 08-06-04 02:03 PM Originally posted by Gathion Heck, for that matter, they could do it with basic land, as basic land is a common. I think the following search string should filter out all basic lands, if that's what we want. "search|~basic" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 35] Author : TwistedFate Date : 08-06-04 02:11 PM Originally posted by The Computer Mutt EDIT @ TwistedFate: What screen resolution will you be programing this to work with? Does it matter? Doesn't matter. I don't like to hard code such things. I'd use a configuration file for such things as: Screen Res Max number of individual cards to have Max number of cards per trade session etc... This way we can customize the operation of it without the need for recompiling. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 36] Author : The Computer Mutt Date : 08-06-04 02:13 PM Originally posted by TwistedFate Doesn't matter. I don't like to hard code such things. I'd use a configuration file for such things as: Screen Res Max number of individual cards to have Max number of cards per trade session etc... This way we can customize the operation of it without the need for recompiling. Cool. So instead of having a set location for each object to be, you'd divide the screen resolution by a certain amount to find it, or something like that? Cool. :bow: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 37] Author : TwistedFate Date : 08-06-04 02:20 PM Originally posted by The Computer Mutt I think the following search string should filter out all basic lands, if that's what we want. "search|~basic" This also filters out cards with the word 'basic' in the text, artist name, card name, etc... Such as Elvish Pioneer, Rampant Growth, Krosan Tusker, and Molten Rain I've nearly got the string you need figured out, just need to tweak it a bit more. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 38] Author : shattereddestiny Date : 08-06-04 02:21 PM Originally posted by The Computer Mutt I think the following search string should filter out all basic lands, if that's what we want. "search|~basic" Of course that would remove cards like Harrow and Rampant Growth from the pool. [size=1] *Edit - drat, spent too much time chatting in game before I could post and Twisted Fate beat me to it.[/size] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 39] Author : The Computer Mutt Date : 08-06-04 02:37 PM Originally posted by shattereddestiny Of course that would remove cards like Harrow and Rampant Growth from the pool. [size=1] *Edit - drat, spent too much time chatting in game before I could post and Twisted Fate beat me to it.[/size] It doesn't. Those of the word "search" in their text, and that string allows cards like that. "nonbasic|hand|search|~basic" seems to solve most problems, but I'm sure we'll find another problem with that even. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 40] Author : Programmerman Date : 08-06-04 02:38 PM What you need is ~"basic land --", if there's some way to do that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 41] Author : Programmerman Date : 08-06-04 02:41 PM Oh, and for the Blood Pet effect, Originally posted in the "You Collect What?!?!?" thread: Asphalt: Blood Pet Bring the Blood Pets! Asphalt will like it! :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 42] Author : The Computer Mutt Date : 08-06-04 02:43 PM Originally posted by Programmerman What you need is ~"basic land --", if there's some way to do that. DOH! I thought that I needed "&" to link words, but I don't. It's not "~basic land --" would work, but it's not "--", it's a longer line. Just a second... GOT IT! "~[G]&~[R]&~[W]&~[B]&~[U]" [G] and such is what the MTGO oracle text uses to represent the large mana symbols, so this code works! PS: It does work, I've tested it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 43] Author : TwistedFate Date : 08-06-04 02:51 PM Originally posted by The Computer Mutt "~[G]&~[R]&~[W]&~[B]&~[U]" [G] and such is what the MTGO oracle text uses to represent the large mana symbols, so this code works! PS: It does work, I've tested it. That's the string alright. Good job!! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 44] Author : shattereddestiny Date : 08-06-04 02:56 PM Originally posted by The Computer Mutt It doesn't. Those of the word "search" in their text, and that string allows cards like that. "nonbasic|hand|search|~basic" seems to solve most problems, but I'm sure we'll find another problem with that even. I see. I was reading that wrong. And thinking about it, I can't possibly imagine why. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 45] Author : The Computer Mutt Date : 08-06-04 03:13 PM Originally posted by shattereddestiny I can't possibly imagine why. It's because you're a random nontechsavy donut. :P -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 46] Author : vitalogy1994 Date : 08-06-04 03:24 PM Originally posted by The Computer Mutt I'm creating an account named "1for1 Commons" Be cautious to never ever go in public rooms (like the casual room, or even the Hall of Fame room is prohibed) with this account. Adepts can warn/eject you because you "advertise" outside of the trading room. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 47] Author : The Computer Mutt Date : 08-06-04 07:37 PM After reading all the reports of the store messing up new account registrations, I think I'll wait for a while before registering the acccount. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 48] Author : coghead Date : 08-06-04 09:44 PM Title : Great Idea I too think this is a great idea and I would be thrilled to try it out. One of my concerns would be the sheer number of people who want to use the bot. Perhaps people could be limited to something like 1 to 3 trades per week (or whatever). This should be enough for someone to get some cards for a deck or start to finish sets, but won't allow somebody unlimited access to try and 'beat the system'. Just my 2 cents (which cost me $1.95 Canadian). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 49] Author : TwistedFate Date : 08-06-04 10:43 PM One of the bots I trade with/"study how it works" sometimes, limits the trader to 6 cards/items per trade to keep the wait short for other people. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 50] Author : vitalogy1994 Date : 08-06-04 10:50 PM Also maybe the bot could close any trade after 7-10 minutes. So no one could be jerk and open a try and leave computer. Would also be usefull in case of the player lose connection (purposely or not). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 51] Author : Rekrah Date : 08-06-04 10:57 PM Would just like to give this :thumbsup: :thumbsup: If this gets off the ground i would gladly donate all my excess commons to such a worthy project.. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 52] Author : Goldenflame Date : 08-07-04 10:02 AM perhaps, in order to help the bot, perhaps there could be a small price for the first couple of weeks, like 32 commons for 31, to increase the bots collection gradually. still worth it for me to trade with it. i had another point too, but also a dodgy memory so thats it for this post. fantastic idea, i'll be there like a shot. G. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 53] Author : TwistedFate Date : 08-07-04 10:56 AM Okay we've got almost 2 pages of "Great idea" posts here. Since I am the only one even to mention I have the skills to do it I guess the only thing I can say is: "Hi, my name is Twisty and I'll be your code monkey for this project. Ook!" (not to be confused with TestMonkey) I'll make a seperate post later today to post my initial ideas and questions to get feedback so I can flesh out the design and AI before I start coding it. I want a seperate thread so we can keep all the information in one place and not have to hunt through pages of "Great idea" Vit, don't think I'm trying to run away with this. This is your baby. I think it's a great idea and I'm just doing what I can to help it come about. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 54] Author : Commander Salamander Date : 08-07-04 11:04 AM Just a few comments: [1] Kudos to Vit for a brilliant idea http://www.x-entertainment.com/downloads/newpics2/34.jpg [2] Kudos to TwistedFate for volunteering his technical expertise http://www.x-entertainment.com/downloads/newpics2/34.jpg [3] I'd be happy to donate ~500 commons to the account when the time comes to get it up and running -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 55] Author : vitalogy1994 Date : 08-07-04 12:10 PM Originally posted by TwistedFate Vit, don't think I'm trying to run away with this. This is your baby. I think it's a great idea and I'm just doing what I can to help it come about. Oh no worry. I know I made the easy part. It just took me a fraction of second to get the idea (ok followed by several minutes of thinking to develop it ;) ) And without the /join free room project, the selling-bots around, my lack of commons in certain sets, etc, I don't think I would ever got this idea. Like my sig said, I got the idea, but I need people with skills and ressources. Now the idea is lauched, I let you go all. I will just sit here, and bring some suggestions :cool: :whatsthis lol -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 56] Author : The Computer Mutt Date : 08-07-04 12:38 PM Originally posted by TwistedFate Okay we've got almost 2 pages of "Great idea" posts here. Since I am the only one even to mention I have the skills to do it I guess the only thing I can say is: "Hi, my name is Twisty and I'll be your code monkey for this project. Ook!" (not to be confused with TestMonkey) I'll make a seperate post later today to post my initial ideas and questions to get feedback so I can flesh out the design and AI before I start coding it. I want a seperate thread so we can keep all the information in one place and not have to hunt through pages of "Great idea" Vit, don't think I'm trying to run away with this. This is your baby. I think it's a great idea and I'm just doing what I can to help it come about. *Raises Hand* I have a question sir. What language are you going to be programming it in? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 57] Author : TwistedFate Date : 08-07-04 01:01 PM Originally posted by The Computer Mutt *Raises Hand* I have a question sir. What language are you going to be programming it in? Silly Mutt, English of course. :D Seriously, either VB or C++. I'm gonna wait until more is known about the functionality of what we want before I decide. I'm also looking into scripting languages. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 58] Author : The Computer Mutt Date : 08-07-04 01:11 PM Originally posted by TwistedFate Silly Mutt, English of course. :D Seriously, either VB or C++. I'm gonna wait until more is known about the functionality of what we want before I decide. I'm also looking into scripting languages. Cool! I know a decent amount of VB and a little C++, so if you do it in one of those, I can (try to) help troubleshoot, if you ever want any help. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 59] Author : magictroll Date : 08-07-04 01:31 PM Good job guys :D Count me in as I will be donating commons to the cause! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 60] Author : Pupsta Date : 08-07-04 01:39 PM Major props to everyone involved. I'll definitely donate a few hundred commons to the cause. I believe basic land should definitely be allowed in all of this, because that's what newbie players generally need most. Also, I don't think there's a need to have a 31 for 32 to begin with, because I'm sure there are enough people to donate to this cause. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 61] Author : Icefalc0n Date : 08-07-04 05:55 PM Some folks here seem to still be stuck in that "trade for profit" state of mind, and I don't think that's the spirit of the idea. Nobody is aying your gonna drop off your extra coral merfolk and walk out with 4 shiny new disenchants. However let's not forget that one man's trash is another man's treasure... maybe they're a collector needing that 1 crackling club to fill out there redmption set or maybe they just like playing with off the wall cards. As far as the 200 blood pet issue goes ... if you implement the 96? 64? 128? 256?), I think we should try to convert those to other commons, so that they don't go to waste. But I'm not sure ebay is the best way to go.... we'll see. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 67] Author : TwistedFate Date : 08-08-04 03:09 AM Originally posted by vitalogy1994 Do you think that the Bot should stop, at a certain point, to accept donations? By example, in the case it have way too many common of the same set. So you will know that each of your donation will really help the system. I think there should be some form of a limit or we will be back to people trading 500 plains for other things they need. But that is just traders. My suggestion (and I'm blurring the lines between this and the design thread, but oh well) is to have it accept anything in donation mode, and restrict it to a certain number on hand for traders. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 68] Author : Gloinoin Date : 08-08-04 04:36 AM Dont have a very large collection maybe 300 cards max but im willing to donate my spare White and Blue Commons and appropriate lands along with any commons I have more then 4 of for the other 3 colours -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 69] Author : vitalogy1994 Date : 08-08-04 06:22 AM Early Warning This is probably a useless warning, but I prefer the prevention. Knowing the nature of Internet, I would not be surprised if someone try to abuse of the generosity of the potential donators. We didn't started to collect free cards for the Bot yet. The account is not even created yet. Once the person will be ready to collect the card, it will be announced here in this board with all the instructions ( /me look at The Computer Mutt ;) ) So this is just a warning that if you receive a random PM (in MTGO or in this board) begging for your cards saying that it's for the 1:1 project, ignore them. :cool: I like I said, I hope this is a useless warning :angel: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 70] Author : ZweiX Date : 08-08-04 02:08 PM Hey guys, "Great Idea!" I have a couple of suggestions: 1) A Donation-Bot. A Bot that just sits there and waits for people opening a trade. That bot will pick all commons that are marked for trade and display a message like "Taking 32 commons. Please open another trade if you have more to donate, kthxbi." The bot should accept ALL donations. Who cares if someone wants to unload 320 Blood Pets? Well, maybe that's worth reconsidering, but you get my point. This way, pople willing to donate don't have to get up in the middle of the night - it's all about convenience for the benevolent, you know. I am all against a "donation downtime". What I am in favor of, tho, is: 2) Running several 1:1-Bots (Two should suffice in the beginning). During the "downtime", these two bots should in turn trade with the donationbot to "restock", so to speak. If the bots should in this case enforce their "playset-rule" from the other thread is subject of discussion. 2a) If the room should ever be as successful as I think it will be, I deem it feasable that, given a certain "idleness", the bots themselves should "synchronize". That means mark all cards "#owned>16" as tradable and look for cards "#owned<4" on the other bots. Logic along the same lines as pointed out in the "Design Thread" 3) A room (yes, "/join 1:1Commons" or the like) should be opened. Whenever A 1:1-Bot hasn't traded for, say, two minutes, that bot should display "/me is open for trade". Also, during "synchronizing" or "restocking" a message should be posted "/me is restocking/synchronizing, plz wait until X:YZam PST" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 71] Author : Algona Date : 08-09-04 12:46 PM Originally posted by vitalogy1994 ...Now I have a question to our generous donators I see lot of enthousiam around this project. However, there is always a possibility that it fail. It's possible that after the first day, everyone forget about it and stop to use it. Or maybe some other technicality will force the end of the project. (don't get me wrong, I believe it will work, but I alway prefer keeping my mind open to the possibility of failure and other alternatives). So if the project end and you already gave many of your commons. How would you like to be compensated? I would feel bad if the donators don't get compensation, I will feel they got cheated. But maybe you are already well aware of this possibility and will only shrug if the project end?... I just checked the other day, set the filter to cards I have more than 20 of. 4800 commons! Sigh. Take them. I draft way too much. Maybe 25-50 tix worth of crud... I could care less if I never see them again even if this fails. The idea of 150 trades to dump the cards is bad enough, but to do another 150 trades to get them back? ARE YOU CRAZY? :rofl: If you feel you have to do something with the cards in the event of failure instead of keeping them, give away the cards. Or sell the cards and keep the money. Give it to the developer, give it to charity. I honestly do not care. I do not want the burden of keeping track of what is to me an incidental amount. After all, it is a donation. :) If this experiment works, than I have a convenient place to dump cards and pick some odds and ends, without dealing with time consuming trades. Well worth the investment. ---------- I really like all of ZweiX's recommendations. Very good stuff! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 72] Author : ZweiX Date : 08-09-04 01:12 PM Originally posted by Algona I really like all of ZweiX's recommendations. Very good stuff! /me blushes. "See!? See?! Someone listens!!" (I can see it now: Gathion, in Donate.Bot disguise, "Can I have your Cards?") Edit: Sigged, obv. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 73] Author : vitalogy1994 Date : 08-09-04 01:18 PM Originally posted by ZweiX (I can see it now: Gathion, in Donate.Bot disguise, "Can I have your Cards?") Ummmmmm... that make me think. We should give a name to this Bot. I'm getting an idea here :angel: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 74] Author : ZweiX Date : 08-09-04 01:32 PM Bot name suggestions: "Ltd. Cmdr. Gimme" "Mine!Mine!Mine!" "Gathi0n" Now that we've all had our fun on Gath's expense: 1:1Commons_a 1:1Commons_b 1:1Commons_c...d...e...f... etc for the tradebots 1:1Commons_Donate for the donationbot. That is if, and only if, ":" is allowed in account names. I could imagine it's not. Then, I'd go with "1for1Commons_a" etc. /2weiX -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 75] Author : The Computer Mutt Date : 08-09-04 05:53 PM It doesn't seem that they've fixed the problem with the online store yet, but if people want to start donating cards, I have a spare account that has a neutral name and nothing but an FTK avatar in it that I could use to collect donations, and since I'll be starting the real account, it will be simpler for me to tranfer all of the cards over. If you want to start donating cards, send them to "Grog the Shuffler". @ZweiX: ":" is not allowed in account names, I tried. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 76] Author : Algona Date : 08-09-04 06:11 PM ZweiX, I'm flattered that I finally made it into someone's signature. Other than my own. [evil 'gona]I wonder if sigging yourself leads to blindness...[/evil 'gona] The Computer Mutt, catch me online, I run under Algona there also. Than let the transfer commence... What time are you typically on? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 77] Author : The Computer Mutt Date : 08-09-04 06:28 PM Originally posted by Algona The Computer Mutt, catch me online, I run under Algona there also. Than let the transfer commence... What time are you typically on? Now. :P My habits in general are eratic, but 4 to 8 PM eastern time is probably your best bet. EDIT: I was trying to use a scripting program to create a basic bot that would take donations, and when I finish, I accidentilay closed it. Then I built one to take seemingly random commons, then it goes insane, looping the code, and took me TEN MINUTES to shut off. It should be working now though. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 78] Author : Algona Date : 08-09-04 07:20 PM [crackly radio voice] Houston, we have a problem. [/crackly radio voice] Hmmm, how about weekends? I work until 5PM Pacific... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 79] Author : The Computer Mutt Date : 08-10-04 03:48 AM Originally posted by Algona [crackly radio voice] Houston, we have a problem. [/crackly radio voice] Hmmm, how about weekends? I work until 5PM Pacific... On weekends I'll probably be on 6PM or earlier and all night easten time, so look for me then. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 80] Author : Xtofyr Date : 08-10-04 03:53 AM Title : no hyperbole I just want to say that I think this is the most exciting thing I've ever seen play out on the boards. Thank you, EVERYONE, that is contributing their time and effort to this project. This will be the most positive and significant change to MTGO since launch. Chris -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 81] Author : vitalogy1994 Date : 08-10-04 04:00 AM Originally posted by The Computer Mutt EDIT: I was trying to use a scripting program to create a basic bot that would take donations, and when I finish, I accidentilay closed it. Then I built one to take seemingly random commons, then it goes insane, looping the code, and took me TEN MINUTES to shut off. It should be working now though. *sigh* Why did you have to invoke Grog in the project? See the result now! :sad: ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 82] Author : TwistedFate Date : 08-10-04 10:15 AM Originally posted by vitalogy1994 *sigh* Why did you have to invoke Grog in the project? See the result now! :sad: ;) I for one am glad he did. If Mutt can distract Grog and keep him occupied for a while, I can code free and clear to the end. :D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 83] Author : The Computer Mutt Date : 08-10-04 10:34 PM [color=grey]0:33[/color] [color=purple]Grog the Shuffler:[/color] M3 WAHNT DONATIONS!!! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 84] Author : SuperSquirrel Date : 08-11-04 04:46 AM so how hard would it be to have multiple bot accounts runing that synchronize with each other? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 85] Author : The Computer Mutt Date : 08-11-04 07:28 AM My account "Grog The Shuffler" is running a DonationBot I programmed. He has 2499 cards as of yet, one of almost all OLS cards. I had to add code to close the BBS room since I'm always chatting, then the bot takes over, then things mess up. Now things don't mess up. :P It has little errors from time to time, and they're fixed fastest with a human overseer, but they can fix themselves if they're given enough time (only a few mins), AFAIK. There are some very easy fixes to the code that would make it run better, I'll do it later. EDIT: 6:15 AM: 2346 cards, and it's running on it's own most of the time. I had to un-freeze it once, but it shouldn't need that again. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 86] Author : jimmcq Date : 08-16-04 10:45 PM Title : Re: If /JOIN FREE don't work, maybe /JOIN 1:1 ? The '1:1' room is getting pretty quiet... We need everyone that is interested to hang out in the 1:1 room and to encourage others to do so as well. [size=3][COLOR=indigo]/join 1:1[/COLOR][/size] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 87] Author : Energizer Nerd Date : 08-16-04 10:51 PM Title : Re: Re: If /JOIN FREE don't work, maybe /JOIN 1:1 ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 88] Author : ZweiX Date : 08-17-04 03:29 AM Title : Re: Re: If /JOIN FREE don't work, maybe /JOIN 1:1 ? Originally posted by jimmcq The '1:1' room is getting pretty quiet... Maybe that's because... GROG DOESN'T DO ANYTHING? He sits there, posts his welcome message and refuses to take ANY cards, even my beloved IPA commons which he has NONE of. /2weiX -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 89] Author : vitalogy1994 Date : 11-16-04 05:49 AM :bump: This project is NOT dead :) Yesterday morning I got some encouraging news. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 90] Author : tykaho Date : 11-16-04 07:28 AM “It’s coming!” ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 91] Author : RabidWombat79 Date : 11-16-04 08:48 AM Rise from your grave!! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 92] Author : seahorse Date : 11-16-04 09:13 AM Title : bring it :bow: :ayyyy!: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 93] Author : theorgg Date : 11-16-04 10:17 AM 1:1 is up and running!? SWEET! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 94] Author : tykaho Date : 11-16-04 10:26 AM [QUOTE=theorgg]1:1 is up and running!? SWEET![/QUOTE] Its not up and running but it will be soon. Hang on. It will be sweet. Thanks Clint -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 95] Author : Programmerman Date : 11-16-04 10:27 AM [QUOTE=vitalogy1994] :bump: This project is NOT dead :) Yesterday morning I got some encouraging news.[/QUOTE] What news was that? *eagerly waits* -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 96] Author : vitalogy1994 Date : 11-16-04 10:51 AM [QUOTE=Programmerman]What news was that? *eagerly waits*[/QUOTE] Hint: tykaho is the Programmerman -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 97] Author : KevMoney Date : 11-16-04 10:53 AM OK, I must admit I have popped into /join 1:1 several times to since I heard about it to see if it was up and running and it is, of course, always empty. Now, you post you have some good news and others say it will be up shortly, but you have not told us what the news is. Is that it, will it be up shortly? I don't understand the problem. Just get ppl in the room and trade 1 for 1. Yes I know you wanted to get a bot to automate stuff and what not, but it can be manual to get ppl coming before you introduce bots. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 98] Author : vitalogy1994 Date : 11-16-04 11:09 AM [QUOTE=KevMoney]I don't understand the problem. Just get ppl in the room and trade 1 for 1. Yes I know you wanted to get a bot to automate stuff and what not, but it can be manual to get ppl coming before you introduce bots.[/QUOTE] I believe that Tharion_wind do a good job with the occasional "Swapmeet". I believe that a bot is required for a stable, non-frustating service. When trading with humain, 1 person search some specific cards & the other person also search some specific cards. That lead often to a situation that 1 person don't have what the other want and cancel the trade. When I'm looking for specific card, I prefer to deal with bot, so I don't feel bad if I don't find anything. I can cancel the trade and I don't feel guity to make the other person waste his time. (of course this point of view is debatable, this is only my own personality. I understand people that prefer to deal with real person) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 99] Author : KevMoney Date : 11-16-04 11:23 AM [QUOTE=vitalogy1994]I believe that Tharion_wind do a good job with the occasional "Swapmeet". I believe that a bot is required for a stable, non-frustating service. When trading with humain, 1 person search some specific cards & the other person also search some specific cards. That lead often to a situation that 1 person don't have what the other want and cancel the trade. When I'm looking for specific card, I prefer to deal with bot, so I don't feel bad if I don't find anything. I can cancel the trade and I don't feel guity to make the other person waste his time. (of course this point of view is debatable, this is only my own personality. I understand people that prefer to deal with real person)[/QUOTE] Eh, I guess. But I think something should be done to start it up to start with. The other problem is that if there is only 1 bot in there and this is popular, the bot will likely be tied up for a while. I would guess that it would require 5 bots to handle the room if it is successful. Also is that the news? Is this going to be up and running soon? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 100] Author : silvercue Date : 11-16-04 11:33 AM Sounds like a great idea - I have read through some of the thread but it went on a bit too long...so forgive me if this has been covered: Will there be any rules of trade or simply like for like in terms of rarity - ie any common for any common? I would guess most people here have complete sets of 8th and onwards commons and will all be after the IPA and more useful 7th edition commons? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 101] Author : vitalogy1994 Date : 11-16-04 11:59 AM In short, the news is that tykaho sent me an email to tell me that he took the initiave to program, with the help of his friend, a 1:1 trading bot. He seem very motivate to make this 1:1 project a success. He will be ready to beta-test the bot soon (he already did some test yesterday by announcing in the MessageBoard). I have to admit, this project got its up and down, but I believe in this project again :) Not everything is set in stone, so I don't have much detail yet. [QUOTE=silvercue]Will there be any rules of trade or simply like for like in terms of rarity - ie any common for any common?[/QUOTE] The spirit of the 1:1 trading room is that all cards of the same rarity have the same value and everyone is willing to trade all cards 1:1. Obviously the reality is not like that. We can't say that all rares have the same value. This is more true for the commons, but it have it's exeption (you all think of IPA of course). The Bot itself will try to keep the largest collection possible. It will always trade commons cards 1:1, not regarding the value[1]. The room will also be a place where poeple willing to trade 1:1 will gather. Of course, each person will have their own rules. I cannot control that. I would guess most people here have complete sets of 8th and onwards commons and will all be after the IPA and more useful 7th edition commons True. Since the beginning I expect a lack of IPA cards in the Bot's collection. Also, I know that Counterspell will be picked more often than the Blood Pet. However, I believe that the pool of the same value cards is large enough to make this project viable. Soon, I will open a FAQ thread in the How Do I... forum. You will find more info there. I will try to update my website soon too. Footnotes 1: You will have the feeling that the Bot may pick your valuable cards first. Not because the Bot want to make profit (it will always trade cards 1:1, not regarding the value of the pair of cards traded), but because valuable cards are most likely be also the cards that the Bot need to complete its collection. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 102] Author : tykaho Date : 11-16-04 12:48 PM [QUOTE=KevMoney]OK, I must admit I have popped into /join 1:1 several times to since I heard about it to see if it was up and running and it is, of course, always empty. Now, you post you have some good news and others say it will be up shortly, but you have not told us what the news is. Is that it, will it be up shortly? I don't understand the problem. Just get ppl in the room and trade 1 for 1. Yes I know you wanted to get a bot to automate stuff and what not, but it can be manual to get ppl coming before you introduce bots.[/QUOTE] OK Kev, Your on... we'll be putting the bot up tonight for a small test run just for you... you better be there and be the first in line to donate something :) I'll post here when we're on... here is a FAQ (http://www.geocities.com/mtgo_commonground/) to munch on while you wait. DON'T PM US... We will be there! Thanks Clint & Thorsten -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 103] Author : vitalogy1994 Date : 11-16-04 12:53 PM [QUOTE=tykaho]here is a FAQ (http://www.geocities.com/mtgo_commonground/) to munch on while you wait.[/QUOTE] :thumbsup: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 104] Author : Offkorn Date : 11-16-04 01:22 PM I was one of the people who tested it last night. It works quite well for just being in the beta stage. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 105] Author : tykaho Date : 11-16-04 01:23 PM See the new post. C&T -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 106] Author : tykaho Date : 11-16-04 01:25 PM [QUOTE=Offkorn]I was one of the people who tested it last night. It works quite well for just being in the beta stage.[/QUOTE] Thanks Offkorn... glad to see that you liked it. C & T -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 107] Author : Hygglo Date : 11-16-04 02:03 PM The 1:1 commons trading bot is a great thing and I want to thank everyone involved for doing this. The last time the bots were up I got a lot of commons I needed for my 4x of sets. Do you in any way work together with the person that had the Grog trading bot? I donated over 800 commons to Grog to help get it off the ground, and I think it would be nice to make use of those commons for this bot too. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 108] Author : vitalogy1994 Date : 11-16-04 02:11 PM [QUOTE=Hygglo]Do you in any way work together with the person that had the Grog trading bot? I donated over 800 commons to Grog to help get it off the ground, and I think it would be nice to make use of those commons for this bot too.[/QUOTE] I sent him an email but I didn't heard about him yet. He must be too busy playing Halo 2 to look over here lol -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 109] Author : KevMoney Date : 11-16-04 02:12 PM [QUOTE=tykaho]OK Kev, Your on... we'll be putting the bot up tonight for a small test run just for you... you better be there and be the first in line to donate something :) I'll post here when we're on... here is a FAQ (http://www.geocities.com/mtgo_commonground/) to munch on while you wait. DON'T PM US... We will be there! Thanks Clint & Thorsten[/QUOTE] Tuesday nights are not my night to get on, but I will be working on teh web tonight so I will try and pop in and check it out. I will donate what I can, but my collection is pretty pathetic. I own just over 1000 cards, and most have come in recent weeks. Thank you Tharion for your advice and guidance on buying cards, it is much appreciated. Before his help I had an extremely pathetic pool after pumping over $150.00 into the game. Now my collection is much better and have only spent another $15.00 on the game. 160 commons for 1 You bet I'm there. :D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 110] Author : Mr_Sanity Date : 11-16-04 04:31 PM Title : Feature Idea I just traded & donated with the bot. It was a pretty cool experience overall, and a lot less hassle than hanging out in /casual for hours at a time trying to trade excess commons. After I donated, you announced that I was the TOP DONOR so far, and it struck me that would be a neat (but frivolous) feature: Have the bot announce the top donors for that ego boost that some people thrive on (like high score tables in video games). You'd be surprised what people will do for a "gold star." ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 111] Author : BetterSpuD Date : 05-17-05 03:36 AM Title : Is this still going ahead? It seems a long time since there was any update to this thread. Is 1:1 dead? It's a real shame if it is. Sounds like a fantastic idea and I'd be more than happy to donate several hundred (or maybe thousand) of my unwanted commons, plus it would be great to get some copies of commons that I don't already have playsets of. Here's hoping someone reads this and knows what the status is these days... :) ...awaiting reply -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 112] Author : Drakenred Date : 05-17-05 03:49 AM its bascialy dead Deadity dead dead dead Dead deceaced the 1:1 bot ended up being guarded by a couple of merchant bots who would chearfully try and scoop up any half way decent commons and filled it with crap commons that was deposited -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 113] Author : Phantom Poster Date : 05-17-05 10:03 AM Per the following thread it is a dead project. http://boards.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=419177 However, I have plans to ressurect the project when I have a bit more free time to build my own bot, I've built or am building a number of bots and wizards and am very confident I can build my own bot and do it quite quickly when I eventually have the time. Though I am limiting its access and going to implement several security features to try and prevent its abuse. It may become a pain in the but to use several times in a row, but I think in the long run those who wish to use it for legitimate purposes will not mind. ***HINT: My planned security features will be designed so that another bot cannot just take advantage of my bot without first altering its code, and many bot owners don't know how to do that. And if they do, I'll get them on the banned list and implement another tier of "bot blocking". -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 114] Author : xbpendragon Date : 05-17-05 10:28 AM I have to say I truly miss the 1:1 bots. I have been able to fill out some of my common sets, and also have been able to get a few OOP commons (thanks to the Jeremy bot) that I did not have direct purchase access to. (I started the day after IPA was taken out of the store :weep: ) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 115] Author : ZweiX Date : 05-17-05 12:29 PM I miss the original Grog the Shuffler as well as the 1:1 bots of "new" (Common Ground, Electric LadyLand [hehe I think I even know how they got that name] and Uncommon Sense).... Not because I donated, but it was always nice to trade your excess commons for stuff I didn't have or didn't have enough of... :sniff: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 116] Author : Stikdog Date : 05-17-05 01:07 PM The 1:1 bot i experienced i got to trade with once... i traded for a 12 commons filled a few playsets and grabbed some crazed goblins... then I reopened shortly after to donated some cause i thought it was a good thing and it blocked me... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 117] Author : bigslick90 Date : 05-18-05 02:37 AM yay vit, great idea, i know i'd use it beign the newb that i am..... but... hasn't this already been done with common_ground bot ? is there some difference in this idea then common ground, but i think this is a great idea, bravo, hope it gets lifted off the ground ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 118] Author : Phantom Poster Date : 05-18-05 10:38 AM [QUOTE=bigslick90]yay vit, great idea, i know i'd use it beign the newb that i am..... but... hasn't this already been done with common_ground bot ? is there some difference in this idea then common ground, but i think this is a great idea, bravo, hope it gets lifted off the ground ;)[/QUOTE] This was the idea that started Common_ground. Then the project died off due to abuse. I plan on ressurecting it in my own way. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 119] Author : ZweiX Date : 05-19-05 09:12 AM MUAHAHAHAHAAAA! good. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The messages has been download from Wizards.COMmunity Boards at http://boards1.wizards.com at 11.12.2005 08:08:23